Committee Meeting - November 2011

Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 - 7:00 PM
Location: Carmenita Middle School
Chaired by: Santos Kadi
Total present: 20

Troop Agenda

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Committee Reports

Committee Chair Report

Santos Kadi

  • Den Chief training is offered on December 3rd at University of Scouting-2011 near Santa Fe springs. The Den Chief Training is good for First Class scouts and higher who plan to become den chief one day. The adults will benefit from SM/ASM Specific Leadership Skills. Schedule is posted on the website. Registration Fee is $22 by Nov 22nd, after that $10 more.
  • Eric Aune's announcement - elected as NYLT course Director. For the unit to recharter starting 2013, the SM must have taken the SM/ASM Leader Specific Training and Introduction to Outdoor Leadership Skills Training. For youth training, a new Introduction to Leadership Training course offered by each troop is required before attending NYLT. SM specific is good for any adult leaders who plan to work as ASM as well. Later when Introduction to Outdoor Leadership Skills is offered (this is a weekend course), it would be good for them to take that also. Taking both courses earns the leader the "Trained" patch. Those classes are required for someone to be SM next year. Another class to consider for other members of the committee, would the the Troop Committee Challenge. There is Merit Badge Counselor training, for those interested in that. How to run ILST, it is listed as how to run TLT, but they should be teaching the new syllabus. Eagle Scout Service projects class, which is how to help eagle scouts find a project.

Scoutmaster’s Report

Alok Sancheti

  • SMC – 3 Pre eagle, 1 Live, 2 star, 1 Second Class and 3 Tenderfoot
  • Mathew Chern completed Eagle Character Board, Eagle Character Board for Mark Chern coming up
  • Webelos Pack 529 is visiting Troop on Dec 5th followed by a later meeting of the Troop with the Pack
  • Den Cheifs for Tiger, Wolf and Bear are placed.
  • Green bar is making the troop meeting more fun and energetic with games
  • Focus on teaching skills in coming troop meetings

Treasurer Report

Mi Kyong - Balance on File

Quartermaster Report

Victor Hsiang

  • 8 T-shirts - $40
  • 1 convenient Tent from Kayaking trip has not been returned
  • 14 backpacking convenient tents available but 2 or 3 are wearing out
  • Purchased 1 backpacking 2 person 2 door aluminum poles backpacking tent, made by Alp Mountaineering, model "LYNX 2" from ScoutDirect- $104.50 plus shipping. Examined at the last troop meeting, committee approved to purchase 5 more
  • (Alok) – Samuel Cho did a good job in pre assigning equipment before the outing and checking off at the site and on return. It is a lot easier for SPL to have a separate quarter master assigned to handle equipment during outings

Registration Report

Cynthia Dang - (Not in Attendance)

Outing Coordinator

Andrew Chen

  • March backpacking outing coordinator can’t go himself. Looking for Volunteer

Eagle Guide

Maha Sadras - (Not in Attendance)

Trail to 1st Class

Dennis Gorospe

  • Scouts worked on their orienteering requirement at backpacking outing – scouts should be able to orient random map.

Advancement Report

Melody, Grace, Jeanne, Jovita

  • 13 BoRs in October
  • 8 including 1 Eagle for November
  • Grace is prepared for the court of Honor

Webmaster’s Report

MinChi Cheng

  • Checklist from Outing training has been posted on the website

Medicals Chair Report

Uttara Kelkar(not in attendance)

Community Relations

Christina Preciado, Anjali Atkins

  • October 16 - CHOC Walk - October 2011 - Total 51 registered. Total raised ($5,560.00). Top 2 fund raisers Glenn and Kathy Nishibayashi. Observation for next year - There were not enough T-shirts with right sizes. Looking for volunteer for next year.
  • Suggestion for community service - OC Food bank

Adult Training

Richard Gilliland


MinChi Cheng

Check out new Calendar - 2012 for updated events. Coordinators are collecting information and will have flyers available with information in preparation of each outing.

Upcoming Outings

Date Event/Outing Coordinator Location Notes
Oct 22-23 Backpacking - October 2011 Grace Lee, Yi Chu San Gabriel Mountains –Red Box 28 scouts and 25 adults. Outing went well as planned. Grace is collecting reimbusement forms
Oct 29-Nov 5 Scouting for Food - 2011 Shalu Chauhan Sunshine Park –Cerritos Residents 37 scouts participated. 434 items of food collected and delivered to Grateful Hearts. Received formal letter of appreciation from Grateful Hearts. Collection was comparitively less than last year. Switch to door hangers from bags might be a concern for less collection.
Nov 19-20 Rock Climbing - November 2011 Jay Shin, Richard Gilliland Black Rock Campground Joshua Tree –Indian Cove campground had to be cancelled due to damage from rain. New site is Black Rock. This year it will be $135 per scout which includes food, transportation and tip. Scouts will have the opportunity to receive the Rock climbing merit badge provided that they fulfill all requirements. Parent Volunteer needed for Nature walk. Parent drivers needed. Working on tour permit - needs adult with Hazardous weather training.
Dec 11 Holiday Party - December 2011 Christina Preciado, Vildana Jahic iFly in Hollywood Estimating 50 scouts and 20 parents to attend. 20 sign ups so far. Will be passing out forms and planning for drivers.
Jan 21 Deep Sea Fishing - 2012 P. Working, Raja Gunawardana, V. Hsiang Street Landing, San Pedro estimating 15 scouts and adults. Good parking available. Winters for fishing is pretty slow. 4 options available. Cost varies based on option - ranging from $33 to $72. Meals sold on boat gallery.
Feb 3-5 Snow Trip - 2012 Cynthia Chen, Sissy Yoh Inn Der Bach, Big Bear 30 scouts and 8 adults estimated. 50% deposit has been made. Troop subsidy $40 for each scout. Estimated cost per scout $37. Helmet required for scouts for skiing. Check for capacity allowed.
July 15 Summer Camp - 2012 Frances Gorospe, Charles Cho Camp Mataguay Full payment needs to be made by end of April. 31 scouts and 6 adults estimated to go. Start sign ups on Dec 5th. Troop subsidy $100 per scout. Total estimated cost per scout is $300. Scouts can work on Aviation MB - $45 – option for older scouts.

Discussion Items and Other Business:

  • Scout Leadership Term - (Alok Sancheti) - Current Term from April to September and October to March. Proposal to change by 1 month ahead from May to October and November to April. This would make it easy for the coming in SPL as the previous SPL will be incharge of bigger events like camporee as they fall in April. Committee approved proposal.
  • Duty to God Committee had a discussion regarding Duty to God
      • Believing in God is an integral part of scouting, so much so that it is part of both Scout Law (scout is reverent) and Oath (On my honor I will do my Duty to God…). The Scouting program is a character development program. And BSA believes that a key part of character development is spiritual development. This issue has been litigated on in Nation’s highest courts and court has ruled in favor of BSA, saying that an organization can decide its own membership terms.</p>
      • Being Boy Scout Troop we have to adhere to BSA policies. However when a scout joins the Troop and is young he is not sure about his beliefs. So while he is maturing and firming up his beliefs, one way for the other, we will allow him to advance in ranks. At each rank’s scoutmaster conference and BOR we will discuss it with him and allow him to continue to explore his belief in existence of God.
      • However, once he has matured and firmed up his beliefs and come to the conclusion that there is no “higher being”, we have to explain it to him that as a scout he has to live by scout oath, which contradicts with his beliefs…otherwise it is just a hollow promise. Hence cannot be endorsed for the rank of Eagle.
  • Eagle Projects Approval: BSA changed approval process for eagle projects 2012 (Glenn Nishibayashi).

Long Term Outings Planned

  • Camp Mataguay (2012)
  • Camp Cherry Valley (2013)
  • Hawaii (2013) Frances Gorospe suggested Hawaii for summer 2013. Custom trip for 10 – 12 days at the end of July/ beginning of August. Looking at an estimate of $1750 minimum cost. Big Island mostly and Honolulu for 1 day. Scouts can work on Hawaiian Award.

Medical Forms

Expiry date of Medical form can be found ad Medical Form Expiry

Next Committee Meeting: December 13, 2011 @ 7PM, Carmenita Middle School.

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